Tsvangirai did not alter constitution
28 March 2012
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Birmingham(ZimEye)Claims by renegade members that MDC-T leader Morgan Tsvangirai changed his party’s constitution so that he can stay at the helm  for much longer  are unfounded, the MDC-T’s Organising Secretary, Nelson Chamisa  has said.
Chamisa(pictured) told ZimEye that Tsvangirai was re-elected by the party’s majority membership. The decision to retain him as party President after completing his two year term is within their policy.
Some disillusioned members of the party have in recent months charged at Morgan Tsvangirai claiming that he should have resigned soon after he failed to win elections in 2008.
But Chamisa refuted “His tenure was never extended. He was voted squarely; in fact completely by all the provinces”.
Chamisa said that there was never a change of the MDC-T’s constitution:
“This fallacy that there was a change of the constitution; There was never a change of the constitution. We don’t change constitutions in the MDC. Our principle is that anybody who serves in government is supposed to be serving for two terms, as a policy.  And we are not yet in government, we are in opposition.”
The Organising Secretary who is also Zimbabwe’s Information, Communication and Technology Minister said that it is only when Tsvangirai becomes President that the party will start counting his two term tenure as president.
A term is 5 years long.
“Once president Tsvangirai gets into government, we then start counting – But in government, not in the party.”

Nelson Chamisa - His tenure was never extended. He was voted squarely; in fact completely by all the provinces

At this juncture, our reporter then asked “What if you never make it into government?,”

Chamisa replied: “But that’s an assumption. We cannot work on an assumption”, .
Chamisa’s comments were also buttressed by Home Affairs Minister Theresa Makone, who said that Tsvangirai has been performing well and so the party sees no need to replace him at the moment.”If a person is performing well, why should we remove him?,” she said.
Chamisa together with Theresa Makone were responding to questions in a press conference during their recent visit to Birmingham, UK.  (ZIMBABWE, ZimEye)

63 Replies to “Tsvangirai did not alter constitution”

  1. mdc cant b denigrated by idiots like bla miki. Being patriotic to zanu does nt mean one shud stop using brains iwe miki. Use yo brains young man tanga wataura zvapresident vako vasingape vamwe masimba wozohukura zvevamwe stupid

  2. Editor, can you delete all the shona bere replies. They are the ones responsible for destroying Zimbabwe. Why are these shona bere hiding in England in the first place? The English people are tired now of all these shona bere invading their country. We must arrange that they all get kicked out back to their disastrous homeland of huts and mombe. These people are born thieves! Wherever they settle they drop the value of the property market. They bring with them their filthy thieving bere shona ways where they even sh.t on the streets outside their own homes. They must be removed from our society like that useless thief majuru was! We just need to find majurus daughter in spain now and get her kicked out for stealing 60 kilograms of gold from zimbabwe – another shona bere thieving female!

  3. Thumps up Cde Tome and Cde Dorothy, putting the mdc to its rightful place, kumadhodhabhini

  4. Iam sure Tsvangirai na Chamisa are now mentally unfit for office especially after those beatings,njere dzavo hadzisisiri bhoo varume ava,if it was in Europe they could have been forced by their parties and Government to be mentally checked.

  5. hamutiudze zvekuchinja president webato redu. Munorwei maZanu, chatirikuramba kutonga nyika for mo than 10 yrs. Ropodzai kutaura mupedze shungu hutongi hwenyu hwosvika kumagumo. Rwendo rwuno hamulume. Makamboonepi imbwa isisina mazino mukanwa ichibata tsuro.

  6. We a in opposition kikiki………………………., been fooled al thse years that u won elections madoda

  7. Dorothy u r a plus plus,l lyk it. @ Diahoria whatever yo name z, u can keep tsangirai 4 as long as u wish and by ” whatever means” we dont care, just dont make noiz 2 ours coz we want him there tisingabate our constitution. By the way u ddnt knw that constitution was amended by 5 pple,Chamisa, Khupe, Mangoma,Makone nd Chematama. The rest jus had 2 follow orders from project managers (british). Go 2 harvest house and ask what happened 10 may 2011. Dnt be lyk lost sheep

  8. Comments for and aginst mdc must come from people who are in the country who are courageous to withstand the pressure.

  9. Follow this link thats exactly what Tsvangirai will do especially to those living abroad particulary in the Uk…oh just google Sata in Botswana……..

  10. YOU WILL BE A FOOL TO ATTEND ANY OF THESE MDC MEETINGS ESPECIALLY HERE ABROAD.THATS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WHEN ZIMBABWE GAINED INDEPENDECE,BETTER THE DEVIL WE KNOW THAN THIS MAN WHO CANT EVEN FOLLOW FEW STEPS BEHIND THE GERMANY CHANCELLOR.

  11. Chamisa is being used but he will regret,he doesnt have the knowledge about Zimbabwe born in 1978 what do you expect from a novice who never heard any gunshots during the war,for the MDC they blew their chances of governing Zimbabwe in 2008,about the terms of office Tsvangirai has knew by working with literate guys he was going nowhere thats why he fell out with Welshman,as far as we know all the guys within the ranks of the MDC will never come close to the highly learned Mugabe.

  12. MDC T NO DIFFERENCE WITH ZANU GUYZ ZIMBABWEANS YOUR PROBLEM YOU TEND TO TAKE SIDES TEA BOY HAS RULED MDC MORE THAN TWO TERMS BITI IS THERE TO TAKE OVER WE ARE GROOMING ANOTHER ZANU PF BEWARE

  13. From the way Chamisa talks one would therefore say the police are right if they treat them as an opposition party, that is by refusing even to take orders from them. They openly call thamselves opposition when they are ministers. Mina ngimangaliswa ngabalandelayo ukuthi kanti ababoni ngani sibili?

  14. Comrade chando hameno hako unosvigwa naBla Miki…..leave me a note my ass, kamupfana aka kanedanger.

  15. Salibonani editor, please delete all comments in Ndebele and allow only comments in shona and english. Next time we will see comments in chinese and nigerian, ending up confusing readers. Gayhora, there is nothing wrong in amending a constitution. What is wrong is to deny plainly that you did not change anything when it is clear that you made such alterations, thats taking your supporters for granted. Cde Chando, how about having a drink together when you are in town during Easter? Leave a note for me in Jazz 105

  16. Mandebele shungu munadzo dzekuda kukwanakwana asi simba ndiroshoma ende haugoni kuti pwe-eee! hatimboto kutengeserei kana kg zvaro. Tisu Anhu Acho-oo (TAA).

  17. Thats zim politics,i hear mlf youths have defected to form mnf ‘mthwakazi national front’ sizalumana lunyaka!

  18. aSekuru Timba… Debate is healthy. The fact that such debates are tolerated means MDC is a democratically healthy party. Such debates are anathema to Zanu PF, I bring it (Zanu PF) up because they are the hollow tins that make the most noise when it comes to democratic processes but rarely ever follow them!
    The diaspora members have the avenues to air their grievances, and rest assured they will be heard if they have valuable input. Obviously to the detriment of Bla Mboko, Nedondo et al. MDC-T will once again be a shining example of astute leadership. If the majority of the MDC want Tsvangirai to continue as president of the party then so be it!

  19. Zvakanaka editor: Pamaisa ma**** apo ndinoreva mudzimai waasina kubvisira pfuma!

  20. Chando nhasi ndamuwanikidzawo Naked saka ndaona zvakanaka kumupakurira nerurimi rwasekuru vake. Jumpdaki haasi kupindura ndofunga ndiye akaurayiwa nebhazi rePutco parakabuda mumugwagwa rikarova tangwena arere nehure rake nezuro kuSoweto. Naked haasi kuda kutaura nezvazvo!

  21. Greyhoria read carefully and understand Mavambo.K.D. N and also read btween the lines. The argument z bout mdc changing constitution 2 suit individual agenda nd interest. Walk the talk. Tikuyeuchidzei kuti u r only human beings munoda zvatinoda.PANYANGA APA!.

  22. @Greyhora
    Refer to the article above,none other than MDC members in the diaspora are agitating for leadership renewal of your party,it is not ZANU PF that is talking about it.We are just writing the facts as they are without talking of ZANU PF.If any topic concerning ZANU PF arises,we will do the same,so do not drag the other party in this debate.

  23. @aSekuru Timba, chinzwaika sekuru, you might have been caught in the crossfire, nevertheless I disagree with you. The Zimbabwean national constitution itself has been amended 33 times since independence, mostly by Zanu PF acting unilaterally because they were the ruling party. The is nothing wrong with changing a constitution as long as the requirements for such change are met, i.e. 2/3rds majority 51% majority or whatever the case maybe, as long as the majority is happy.. in a democracy, majority rules and minority rues… that’s how it works. No constitution is cast in stone, at the moment aren’t we busy trying to alter our own national constitution???

  24. @Greyhora.
    I never said I hate Tsvangirai,revisit my submissions above.Why should I waste my time hating him?He is a fellow countryman though we might hold different ideologies.You need to walk the talk as a party you purport to be of excellence.Where is the excellence then?Any constitution sets the rules of the game.So you as a party,you cannot be entrusted to run the affairs of the state because you can change the rules of the game wily nilly as you are currently demonstrating and advocating.

  25. For all we care, Zanu PF can change its constitutions 1000x in ten years and we will not give a damn, nor even query it, that is party politics. You can have an 88-year old or a 100 year old for party president with 40 terms if you like. What we are totally loathe of is Zanu PF thinking that the national constitution is a party constitution, that is the problem with this mafia party called Zanu PF, all of them, Bla Siki et al. cannot differentiate between party and national politics. Those are the dunderheads we have entrusted with governing us, unfortunately.
    MDC in all practical purposes, is a party in opposition at the moment. Never mind the ministerial portfolios allocated. To be a ruling party means you make the major decisions. Which major decisions can the MDC make at this particular point in time? the GNU was created, not for the MDC to govern, but to rescue this country from the abyss it was accelerating into. Noone at MDC is happy with the GNU but it’s an animal we have to live with. There’s the goblin himself up there, then two vice presidents, all from Zanu PF, all major ministries under Zanu PF.. so how can the MDC be termed a ruling party? For those dimwit Zanu PF dunderheads, there is such a thing as a party being in government but being in opposition, it happens almost everywhere!!!!

  26. Thanx ntanami Cde Naked. Asifuni ama tribalist nxena yekhuti vale inferiority complex. I am trying to communicate with you CDE. Ubingelele that cross border jumper Xolani. Umutshele ukhuti hangimuzondi. Ok kusasa Jeki! Sengi eghodhini because its now selimathunzi. I wish I was born a nyongolosi though.

  27. 1. “We don’t change constitutions n the MDC…”. Oh! Those documents are cast in stone, butressed by iron and planted in conrete, huh?
    2. “… we are not in government, we are in opposition.” At this stage we don’t want to hear things like this Mr Chamisa. Am surprised ZANU PF is still the ruling party!
    3.”…Tsvangirai has been performing well and so the party sees no need to replace him…” If it’s about performance let’s not even talk about ‘terms’. He can perform for the next 33 years!
    4.Reporter: “What if you never make it into government?,” Chamisa: “But that’s an assumption. We cannot work on an assumption”. Am really sorry if this is the way the ‘trusted’ party operates. They can’t build scenarios for the future? Because? The probability of MDC-T winning elections is one! Am afraid ZANU PF will sit on us forever.

  28. Shobela wena cross-bred e Diplomat Hotel that’s where u will get cheap hoes from Mashonaland am tired of whites n indians they are too expensive so I have to cut ama cost n look for cheap stuff like amaShoma 20R per hour compared to 500R per hour,Chegotsi keep on learning isiNdebele like Chando Kupisa n Chimoto kodwa ngeke laba ngamaNdebele laka nci!!

  29. @aSekuru Timba, ehe anoramba aripo kana tichida kuti avepo, you don’t like him because he gives you shivers down your spineless backs imi veZanu, why do u want us to get rid of Tsvangirai?
    @Nedondo, so what if it was amended? Was it wrong to amend it? Zanu puppets, don’t be frivous for crying out loud! You are even less intelligent than I imagined.. you have the audacity to query the constitution of MDC that allows Tsvangirai as many terms as he wants as PARTY president, yet your president has been party president for over 40 years now! Don’t you even see the irony of it? There is a difference between party president and president of the country.. are you all that dull?
    Bla Siki, what are you going on about the “original” constitution? If it was amended then the original is no longer valid and the new one says what it says. I suggest you acquaint yourself with the new constitution… What is it with Zanu PF dinosaurs always clamouring to hang on to the past? We move on, constitutions get amended and we move on. Mazidofo evanhu use common sense for once!!!

  30. Salibonani Cde Naked, mfana ekhaya. Yinto yeyo yeMDC siyayizonda.Nxa, reminds me of our days at Soweto end B/F. We used to sing ” Yinto yoenzayo, siyayizonda, intoyoyenzayo siyayizonda”
    Hows that Cde Naked? That song is a classic and Van T is singing ” ende hangixambe whether lizondile or not.”
    Ok, Cde, sizahlangana eBig Bhawa eMakokoba ,ntambama lamuhla. Ngizakutengela isitswala sema sese sinenge. Ok mbayi mbayi. Lets say , yekela kukule lokhule and lets live our lives, kodwa. Nxi, nxi, nxi (lol in sindebele)

  31. Gayhora, no one in Zanu pf has querried about your constitution, it is your members mostly those doing fundraising for your party in Birmingham, UK who have rightly querried about this amendment of the constitution. Ana Gayhora mave kushaina nema doctorate enyu ekorea, makadii kuitira fundo yenyu paUZ padhuze apo? I also happen to have the original constitution and tell us nonsense. Makwembere, discussing freely about succession does not change leadership of the opposition mdc party and if l may ask, when did you last discuss about succession “openly?”

  32. Naked ufuna ukungibambinkunzi uyanya! Umuntu weRosebank eDiplomat! Futhi kade ngaphuma eGauteng ngashintsha langamanumber plate. Uzobola mfana eDiplomat! Awukangiphenduli phela ngendaba kajumpdaki?

  33. so in other words tsvangirai can easily be the life president of mdc?put that your useless constituition in order and shut the fuck up.

  34. Siphukuphuku ngiphezu kuka dadewenu e Diplomat Hotel next to Nord Taxi Ranki maqondana ne butcher yama Portuguese woza uzongithola lapho ngo 7pm today uthi ufuna u Bra Naked kulamatshangani adayisa ngaphandle kwe Hotel

  35. Namhlanje ngize ngakuthola Naked. IRosebank oyazelaphi uyibona kuRythim city besibonisa uGenaro. Uma ungahlali eSoweto uhlala e Dipsloot. UJumpdaki ukuphi? Usekontrakeni udinga imali ye Internet, R10 3hrs eBraamfontein. EMethodist yikho lapho owafikela khona. Akula muntu okwedlulayo ukucola intwala. Ngangikuzwa konke lokhu ngesikhathi ngiseWits, kade ngaphuma eJozi. UXolani ngake ngamnika imali yesinkwa sebulawa yindlala eyame ipalisade yaseSupreme court!

  36. Shut up all of you. Since you cant accept the truth that the people of Matebeleland have a right to self determination

  37. @ Greyhoria what do u mean by zanu pf puppets? Uchidaro let me tel u that the original constitution didnt hve tht clause of gvnment thing, it was ‘as president’ of the party so they amended tht. I cud show u the original. Musaite udofo nekufunda kwenyu maningi zvokuti makutambisirwa mabhorosi enyu nepwere vana Chamisa. Ndizvondizvo muchatitengesera nyika nekuda chingezi chamusingagone. 2day its sunctions 2mrw its restrictive measures, whoz being restricted here, from who, what ? Bullshit. The President has been 2 western countries how many times, how many kids of pple on that silly list are in their schools?

  38. @Greyhora
    Ko kana MDC ikasahwina zvekutungamirira hurumende President webato anoramba aripo kusvikira vatonga here?if it is the case, then that constitution is flawed.

  39. Education standards have REALLY dropped, especially for poor Zanu puppets! It’s written there in black and white. The two term clause applies for PRESIDENT of the COUNTRY not president of the party! Those are two completely different posts. What is there not to understand?????

  40. Chamisa said they are in opposition and not yet in government,but you reporters refer Zanu PF as the former ruling part.So which is the ruling party?

  41. Command centre I hope u got the answer frm Professor Xolani that’s where u shona economy refugees get free soup rotten bread accommodation n pap after that u urinate n defecate everywhere ask Makwembere n papa wenja they will tell u more

  42. Inonzi zvanakira bveni kuisa tsoko, kuti tsoko aisewo anongonzi ibva hausvikire! People should remember that the MDC is a British project created to reverse the gains of our independance in particular the land reform. This means that their constitution remains British property, and as such, any changes are verbally communicated to the top brass for execution. The British determines who do they want to be the leader of the MDC. I do understand very well when Chamisa says they are not yet in government but in opposition. Theresa Makone is always blaming her own ministry, the rot in the ministries of energy and that of water development are clear testimonies of sabotage. Ministry of Finance is now being run by external forces. Even the PM himself publicly blames the government which he claims to lead. The Zimeye says Chamisa who doubles as Information Communication Technology Minister as if that portfolio is an mdc and not government post. Our eyes are wide open to see what will happen to this party.

  43. The MDC-T is the only party in ZImbabwe and the rest of Southern Africa, which openly discusses thorny issues such as succession etc. Thumbs up to Mr Chamisa, and President Tsvangirai!

  44. A lot of Shona refugees go to Methodist church where they take shelter and are given food handouts

  45. @Comrade Naked, whats this with The Methodist Church, could you explain further

  46. ndimizve maimboti heZanu yazodai.mdhara Bob naTsvangirai same-same,ndisekuru nemzukuruka awa,hawadi nechigaro warume iwawa,matama anoperaka akabva pachigaro

  47. For once l agree wth u Naked. These fools in mdc shud knw that changing constitution isnt changing the paper but by not following whats on it.Makone says he is ‘perfoming well’ so to hell with the constitution. WHAT IS THAT?.

  48. Naked ngijabule kakhulu ngibona icomment yakho. Bengihluphekile nje ngisithi kungaba nguwe obulewe yibhasi yePutco emkhukwini wakho eSoweto izolo lomahosha wakho! Akutsho ngizwe, ujampdaki ukuphi? ngilethemba akuyena!

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